hi coly im thinking of going on this trip im having to go on my own as nobody i know would come :( lol bit concerned that exodus seems to have cut this trek from 19 days to 17 days
i hope your trainings going well
Apologies as I only just realised I had a reply !!! ( How very ignorant of me !!) You should come and prove to all the others what a bunch of lightweights they are lol ! Me n sis are attempting Kilimanjaro Lemosho route in 58 days ( not that I am counting ) ...... my training leaves A LOT to be desired but am now hauling my sorry backside out of bed at 6.30 am EVERY morning to face .... THE ESCALATOR OF DOOM (Stairmaster to most people ) to make up for my sheer laziness over the past .. ahem .... few months !!
Me thinks EBC will be a nice gentle walk in the park after Kili ( all being well we cope with the altitidue that is ) . We did the Inca Trail in Peru 2 years back and absolutely loved every step of the way .
If you do decide to book , you will not be alone , quite the reverse actually as me N sis can chat for blummin Britain ........ just remember to pack your ear plugs and you will be just fine n dandy !!!
Think the nerves are taking over the excited part !!! You decided on EBC yet ??
Look forward to meeting you both . Thanks for the Good Luck wishes , getting very very anxious now ( we leave on Sunday !!! ) . Think EBC will be a nice leisurely stroll if we manage Kili lol !!! And Gary , after EBC and Kili it looks like we are planning a nice easy trip .... my sister wants to see the Northern lights and do the husky sled over the arctic circle . Had to laugh as my mum and uncle now fancy coming , I did point out that the instructions tell you not to let go of the dogs as they wont wait for you and we will probably make National News ..... " 2 pensioners missing somewhere in the Arctic Circle , last seen chasing the Northern Lights !!"
Hi Joanna, I am considering the Everest Base Camp trek 13th April to 1st May 14 as we are to spend two nights actually camping at base camp. It seems to be a good idea to be there during the 60th anniversary month of the ascent of Everest. Like you I am a little concerned about the effect of the altitude. I am still looking into the sourcing some extra equipment I that will need. I may even consider going out to Kathmandu a day early to help with a partial acclimatisation, as this was suggested by Ian Langford of Exodus (he implied that it might only cost a further £50 for the hotel) . Back in 2009 I did the Haute Trek with Exodus, which was thoroughly amazing.
Hi Bob!indeed, there are a few bonuses with this particular date, which is why I booked this. Added bonus is that I'll be turning 35 during the trip - what a way to celebrate! I will be arriving on the morning of the 14th. Regarding gear, I'll have to do some more research and undoubtedly buy some specialist stuff. As for health and fitness, I'm pretty fit (I run, cycle, do weight and core training, yoga etc.) and I live in Switzerland, so I've got access to some fantastic mountains which I'm planning on making my second home over the next few months. I am now watching "Endevour - Everest Without Oxygen" and the narrator has just said "Everest is the dwelling place of gods and is cruel to the weak or unprepared". Message received! But...can one really be prepared for Everest?!!
Hi all. Looks like we're all heading to the same place just at different times. Anyone out there doing the Expedition trek starting the 4th April ?? I am so looking forward to the flight into Lukla (despite YouTube!!) and can't wait to see the amazing views, crossings and the weight loss !! Hope someone else is out there doing the same trip and if so just wanted to get some conversation going before Heathrow ! Good luck and best wishes to everyone xx
I'm also booked on the 4th of April EBC Expedition Trek..Only 10 weeks away now. I cannot wait!....Like veryone else I am also concerned about altitude and acclimitisation, as it is so difficult to prepare for a trip like this..I could also do with some advice on what kit to buy...I am looking at hiring a good down sleeping bag as we are sleeping at base camp for 2 nights, with temperatures predicted @ -7c. Also I am not sure if I need to pack a 'down jacket', as I'm not sure if I need one.
Any advice would be much appreciated!
I am from Milton Keynes so I will be flying from Heathrow. There are not many mountains in Milton keynes, so training is difficult…But I am doing long walks and jogging to try an increase stamina and cardio vascular fitness…
Thanks for the tips RE equipment. I was looking at hiring a down jacket. The Rab Mens Neutrino Endurance Jacket, looks like a really good bit of kit, which is £250 to buy brand new, but I can hire one for £60. Or alternatively I could go for a cheaper synthetic down jacket. And I was looking at the Lowe Alpine Glacier Point Men's Insulated Jacket which I can buy brand new for £69…
Ive not even thought about a mattress, but I will look into the helium mattress that you mentioned. (That might be a good idea). Also, any other advice you can give me RE: equipment would be useful, as this is all new to me.
Finally it look like I will be getting my Visa at Katmandu, on arrival. I assume you will be doing the same?
Anyway, its good to communicate with somebody else who is planning this trip, so I can 'compare notes'
I just did this trip over Christmas.
- hiring a down jacket is sensible if you're never going to use it again. Otherwise, if you'll have time in Kathmandu before the trek (eg if you're going early) then buy it there, loads of trekking shops and much cheaper. But if you're on the group flight don't rely on having time in Kathmandu for shopping (some people in our group were relying on this, but the flight was delayed so we had no time for shopping and they ended up hiring stuff instead). The hire stuff is good quality. And get as warm a down jacket as you can, you won't regret it in the evenings, though you won't need it during the day for actually trekking (even if it's sub zero, you won't need it). Id' take a down jacket (it's not going to get wet as you'll only need it inside, or for very brief periods outside going to the loo etc). Same goes for sleeping bag, get as warm a bag as you can, and definitely down, you won't regret it (if you're too hot you can open it up, if you're too cold you're screwed).
- you might as well get your visa in Kathmandu airport, everyone else will be so you'll have to wait for them anyway. It's very easy, although you may have to queue for a while.
- I'm currently writing up my blog about the trip, not quite finished yet, but you can see the first few days at http://expandyourlimits.wordpress.com/category/asia/nepal/everest/
- Altitude. Drink more than you possibly think you'll need, and take everything slowly, and you'll be fine. Seriously, drink twice as much as you think you need. And a bit more. Even if it means peeing all night, it's worth it not to feel ill and possibly have to descend early. And keep eating.
- Don't eat meat above Namche. In any form. Seriously. Everyone who did had stomach issues. I recommend sticking to dhal baat: it's delicious and nutritious, safe to eat (it's what all the Sherpas eat), you get as much of it as you want, and it's cheap. Do try the apple and carrot pie though :-)
- If you have room in your weight allowance, visit the supermarket opposite the hotel in Kathmandu for trekking snacks before you go to Lukla. Chocolate etc is available but it gets more expensive the higher up you get. And there's not much choice. And don't worry excessively about the weight allowance for the Lukla flight, it's only $1 per excess kg if you do go over.
Hello. two of us will be making this trip. we have chosen to go a day earlier. fly out on the Saturday. the cost was under £40 pounds each. hopefully to acclimatise and have a look round.
Keep Fit and Well
Hi There....Its good to see a few postings on here.
I just wanted to say a big thank you to Di. A very good post, with lots of good info. I hope you had a great trip in December…But I bet it was friggin cold :o)
Hi All - thanks for the recent information which is all appreciated.
I had heard about the meat but thought they were monkeying around - will go veggie on arrival I guess!
Regarding kit - I guess it's personal taste, I wanted to buy some new decent gear that I could try out here (limited as it is) but so pleased I did. Like you say Di if anything delay syou it can comprimise the onward plans including kit hire / purchase.
I'll be getting my Visa over her so I can chill when we arrive !
DI - what tablets did you use for the water and did you use any flavouring etc - I am told that the water tastes pretty rank after steralising etc but absolutely necessary and drink loads & loads & loads ...
Hoseman - I live in Maidstone, Kent and planning a week in Snowdonia again late Feb / early March - just for final walks "in them hills".
It will be great to meet and I'm sure we will have more posts before travelling.
Ps - If you have a Cotswold Outoor store locally ? I mentioned that I was doing this trip to them and they siad that CO gives 15% off non sale items. My £200 jacket down to £170 - might be worth a punt !!
Anyone else out there doing this trip that wants to join in?? Be great.
Thanks very much and does the boiled water come out okay - ignoring the flavour? At EBC x2 overnight we'll have to have something cos I'm not carrying that much water ! They say drink about 4 litres / day but what would you say ? What is dhal baat?
Hi Di...Many thanks for your much valued advice, whcih is alway appreciated. This trip is SO difficult tp pack for. Maybe you can help me with a few other question:
1. Do I need to take trekking poles? I am thinking its best to not bother…But if I need them I assume I can get them in Katmandu or Namche Bazzar??
2. How critical is the 10kg check in limit on the flight to Lukla??…I read in a forum that its not import because if you are over, the flight company only charges an additional $1 per kilo. But I dont know for sure how accurate this info is…So my question is how critical is the 10KG check in limit??
3. Does Exodus still supply a kit bag, and do I get it on arrival in Katmandu?
4. Can you recommend a cheap, reasonable quality, lightweight, waterproof. goretex jacket, for when it rains?
Many thanks in advance
1. You could get some there, but it's just a question of how much time you have to do so (if your flight's delayed, for instance, you may not have time). I'd strongly recommend them - at altitude you'll definitely be tired at some point, and they really help conserve energy (plus there are some steep descents, where they're useful if you have any kind of knee twinges). Most of our group took them, but some managed without. When you say "not bother" are you worried about packing them? You do need to pack them in your kitbag not your hand luggage, but they'll fit in an Exodus kitbag.
2. The 10kg limit is very strict (and so is the 5kg hand luggage limit). However don't worry if you go over the limit, you just have to pay $1US for every kilo you're over the limit. But I recommend sticking to as close to the limit as you can. I had to take a lot of medical kit with me and I still managed to make the limit without too much difficulty. You don't need much as everything will be get dirty anyway, so no point wearing clean clothes!
3. Yes, Exodus will send you a free kitbag in the post, unless you don't live in the UK. It should tell you this in the trip notes. You don't have to use it, but t's very good quality and is easily big enough for everything you need. You should also take a small bag that you can leave any extra gear in in Kathmandu that you won't need on trek (or pack your kitbag in a suitcase, and leave the suitcase in Kathmandu. It'll be stored securely in the hotel.
4. Jacket. It's really a matter of preference as to what you like, but I'd recommend going for quality over price every time. Get as good quality as you can afford, cheaper ones (even Goretex) just aren't as waterproof. Also, don't restrict yourself to Goretex - some other fabrics like EVENT are actually just as waterproof and better at wicking sweat so you won't get clammy and cold. You also need to make sure that's it's windproof, as it can get very windy even if it's not wet. My best advice is to go to a reputable outdoor shop (eg Cotswold) and ask their advice. I took this Rab jacket (not the lightest but very windproof and good as an extra layer in the cold) ttp://rab.uk.com/products/womens-clothing/shell/womens-vidda-jacket.html
It's Event not Goretex, and has never let me down yet. I wore it to climb Kilimanjaro too.
There are always sales on, so you can probably get something good for under £100 if you look around. Anyway, if you're doing any kind of preparation for your trek, you'll need a really good waterproof jacket in the UK, so worth some investment! I would say there are only 3 things you really need to get that are high quality: jacket, boots and sleeping bag. Everything else, you can get by with, layer if cold etc.
Hi Di...Thanks again for all the advice. I;m hiring a good quality Rab down jacket. But I dont think I will be wearing it when I am walking...Also I am mindful that, as it is a down jacket it will not be water proof. So...I just need a good lightweight breathable & waterproof jacket for when I'm walking, and as you say It will be best to spend a bit on quality.....I think I will need to shop around.
Thanks again for all the advice
thank you / my prep / questions
First of all, a big thank you to Di and everyone else contributing to this post! Been great reading.
GEAR --> I live in Switzerland, so I've been trying out what works for me out in the Alps, during wintertime. Seems like a soft-shell outer, thermals and in-between layering is what works for me. I'd rather that than a bulky jacket. I was out in -10oC and had no problems. I don't like using walking poles, but Di you make a point that if there are twinges or muscle-ache or whatever injury, having some walking poles could be a saver.
TRAINING --> I started off really well a few months ago, with 10km daily walks, spinning, running, and hiking above 2'000m every 3 weekends, but as the time has gone by I've been doing less and less. I have 5 weeks to pick up my training again and hopefully be shipshape for the hike.
A few questions if anyone could give some advice:
From what Ive read on the internet, MOST tea houses cater for battery charging, but they do charge a fee. See this post: http://www.macsadventure.com/walking-holidays/trekking-in-nepal-can-i-charge-my-cameraphone/ Therefore, if I've been inform correctly you should be OK for charging lithium batteries. Ive also read that the cold nights have a detrimental effect on battery life too, which adds to the complications. (maybe put your batteries in your sleeping bag at night to make them last longer)...I'll be taking a Nikon camera with me, which also takes disposable batteries as well as a lithium battery, and I can use disposable as a back-up....Which is handy.
Joggles....Dont worry, I think your doing fine with your training! i've been doin 17K walks at the weekend, and jogging during the week, but there are no mountains where I live so preperation for me is difficult!
One question from me for the forum members:
The exodus list does not mention Diomox tablets! Should I buy diomox tabs in the Uk, or wait till I get to Nepal on the 4th April??Or should I not bother with Diomox at all?
Spot on about the charging. You can charge things in most places for a small fee. Keep all batteries in your sleeping bag at night and carry them with you in the evening into the warm main room!
Diamox - you most likely won't need it, but some people find it helps. The guides will have some in the medical bag if you do need it. I took some only because I've had some issues at altitude before, but didn't use it (except the night after getting back from Base Camp when I had some altitude sickness issues and the guides told me to take one just to be sure). I do quite a few altitude trips so knew I'd use them again at some point anyway. If you want to take them, just ask your GP - they'll be a private prescription but aren't expensive.
Fitness - you'll be absolutely fine. Hill training isn't as important as stamina - the main thing is being able to walk for several days at a time without much sleep! You go up a few steep hills but always very slowly, so endurance is far more important.
Shoes - definitely take proper boots. You're likely to encounter rain/mud and also encounter snow on the higher parts, so take good quality strong boots. You'll also get very cold feet otherwise! You'll need some thickish socks for the cold days, which probably won't work in your lightweight shoes.
Layers - definitely. Take a warm down jacket for the nights, but you definitely won't need a thick jacket while walking - the most I ever wore was 4 thin but warm layers. Do make sure you have good windproof outer layers though, including for your head!
Thankyou again Di for you much valued input.
Another question: I am on the Expedition trek on 4th April, so I am spending two extra nights at Everest Base Camp, and I am sleeping at EBC... The Exodus notes say that a sleeping mat will be supplied, but I am thinking that more than likely it will be just a basic sleeping mat. Therefore I was planning to pack an inflatable thermorest mat for extra comfort.
(1) Shall I bother packing the thermorest mat at all? (It will be extra expense and extra weight)
(2) Does anybody know what kind of sleeping mats are supplied on the expedition trek at everst base camp? (comfort and a good nights sleep are important)
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