Kili - Shira Route 29th July

I would like to talk with other fellow travellers on this trip.  Feel free to get in touch.


My husband and I are also going on this trip - not feeling too fit at the moment though and have never been up to that altitude before ... but really looking forward to it.

My name is Trevor Jones and at the age of 60. I believe I will be the oldest member of the group. That's the bad news. The good news (for me at least) is that this will be my 4th time above 5000m and I have to say that, so far, I have not had any altitude problems. Not even a headache. I did the Rongai Route in September of last year, so I thought I might share some tips for those who haven't done this sort of thing before.

1.  Kenya Airways is not he best!  The in-flight entertainment did not work at all on the outward flight and only the music was available on the return flight.

2.  It's likley to be cold, very cold. July should be the coldest month of the year and temperatures on summit night could well be -20C. Last time I wore 2 merino wool sweaters, a shirt, 2 good quality fleeces and a Rab down jacket for the ascent and at no stage was I too warm!

3.  Make sure you wear something to cover your ears. A balaclava or Took hat will protect you from the wind. Make sure your hand are well insulated. Take the type of chemical hand warmers that are single use and last about 8 hours, if your hands easily feel the cold.

4.  You need to ensure that at least some of your water does not freeze. Camelbaks with insulated tubes will still freeze at the temperatues we will be experiencing. Sigg bottles and the like can still freeze even if they are in your backpack. I would suggest taking a small flask or insulated container that you can put in your backpack or even a couple of small 500ml bottles that will fit underneath your jacket. You need to experiment with what you think will work for you and is comfortable.

5. Remember that on summit night you will be on the mountain for come 10 or 11 hours and will need to make sure you have enough high energy snacks to keep you going.

I hope none of this has put you off, but I think it's something you should know  before you set off rather than find out when you get there and can't do anything about it!

Just to finish, my other trips above 5000m were the High Inca Trail in May 2005 and Everest Base Camp in April 2008. 


My departure is 29th July so we wont be on the same trip!  Thank you anyway for your message and I will certainly take note of your comments this is my first trip like this so any information is of great value.  Enjoy your trip

Sorry, but I can't see a trip designated TYR SHIRA ROUTE that departs on 29th July. I can see a trip that departs on Mon 29th JUNE. Is this your trip? The one with the full moon summit night If so, you have posted it in the wrong section and could account for the fact you haven't received many replies. Or am I getting confused in my old age? Seriously though I would check that you have the correct date or you could be disappointed.

Anyhow, enjoy your trip, whenever it is.

Yes, I now see what you mean. Your departue is Wed 29th July and is no longer shown on the list as it is fully booked up. You are going on the trip after me. Exodus never used to hide the unavailable/closed trips, but they do now. Sorry for my confusion. Must do some more training.....

Yes, I now see what you mean. Your departue is Wed 29th July and is no longer shown on the list as it is fully booked up. You are going on the trip after me. Exodus never used to hide the unavailable/closed trips, but they do now. Sorry for my confusion. Must do some more training.....


Thats okay - I think you may need a holiday!!


Just realised I have spelt my name wrong! It is Vanessa and my husband Alex and I are both looking forward to this trip although we haven't done anything quite like it before. We read with interest Trevors comments as someone who has been before  - thankyou Trevor, and wonder what advice you have on footwear for when we are in the camps?

We are going to be doing the Yorkshie 3 peak challenge on Thursday as a test of our enduance so hopefully we will pass!!!

Looking forward to meeting you

I thought I had only made a fool of myself in front of people I wasn't going to meet,  but no such luck! At least SarahJayne you now know what a lucky escape you've had and I'm sorry to hijack the thread. I only hope what I have to say will be of use to anyone who is intending to climb Kili.

As regards camp footwear, my preference is for a thick pair of socks with trainers or trail boots. Sandals would be OK for the terrain, but it gets dark about 6 o'clock in the evening and when it gets dark, it gets cold.  As you may have gathered, I don't like being cold and this includes my feet. The main meal of the day is round about 6 o'clock so this is also something to be considered as sitting about in the cold is no joke.

As I seem to be speaking to people who have'nt done any high altitude trekking before I've thought of a few more things you might like to know:

Age and level of fitness have nothing at all to do with how you will cope with the altitude. I have seen much younger and fitter people than me drop like flies. It can be very sudden and very debilitating if it does happen. Without access to a decompression chamber there is nothing really you can do to prepare yourself. The best thing is to follow what you will be told by the team leader about how much water and how often to drink when trekking. Normally this is at least 4 litres a day taking a few sips every 10 to 15 minutes. Don't allow yourself to become thirsty as this means you are getting dehydrated and that's not good. A Camelbak or Platypus with a tube is useful for taking a few sips whilst on the move. Never forget to use iodine tablets or drops as the water comes from some very dubious sources. Always try to eat as much as you can, even if you don't really feel that hungry. The altitude can adversly affect your appitite and we will be eating high carbohydrate foods such as rice, spaghetti, potatoes, eggs etc. which are important to maintain strength during the trek. Quite a lot of people (and this includes the ladies) find that their level of flatulence dramatically increases. This is quite normal. Just be sure to keep a safe distance between you and the person in front while on trek. You have been warned!The facilities leave a lot to be desired. It looks like there will be toilet tents available during the trek and, believe me, this is definitely a good thing. What passed for toilets at the camp sites on the Rongai route where huts with a wooden floor that had a hole in it. The huts were situated on top of what was in effect a cess pit and the smell was appalling. After a few days the female members of the group were heard to be discussing how wonderful it would be when they were next able to use a "sit down" toilet.  I'm not making this up, it really happened. Wet wipes are your only friend in this regard. It also helps to take one of those little bottles of Cuticura Hygiene Gel that disinfect without the need for water or towels.You will be expected to tip anyone who helps you with your bags (whether you want them to or not) and if anyone helps you carry anything on the trek. You will most likely not have any of the local currency at the beginning so make sure you take a reasonable supply of low value US Dollars to avoid embarrassment.

I think that's enough, for now. If you have any other questions I'll be happy to try and answer them. 



Hi Trevor, well the bags have arrived and hopefully we have bought everything that we are going to need. Thank you for all of your advice it has been very helpful and you make it all sound very exciting what with flatulence and cess pits! no wonder my friends think I am mad with comments like, 'you call that a holiday?' and 'how are you going to manage without an iron and hairdryer'.

Seriously though we are both very much looking forward to it. taking on the challenge and seeing some fabulous scenery.

See you next week





we are the over 50's.

The hotel looks good to me and I am sure any water, hot or cold, along with a bed and a very large glass of red wine ( do they do wine I wonder - it was very hard to get in rural Cuba) will be very welcome after the trek.

 Like you I have been reading some of the other threads, both before and after, and found them amusing and interesting they certainly add to the growing excitement.

Only three more working days left - I don't do Fridays!

See you soon




Is there nobody out there going on 29th - all the information in the threads have been good but I would really really like to speak to somebody going on my trip.


I and my husband are going on the 29th - not feeling at all prepared - and I have recently hurt my quadriceps in the gym so along with all the usual end of term activities - I am a teacher - and my slight injury I haven't been able to prepare at all recently. Though, as I expect we will be walking very slowly that shouldn't be too much of a barrier. Have bought a polar buff for the final night but am now thinking that won't be enough and will have to get something else - the other comments on here seem to suggest I will be freezing if that's all I take, what have you got?


Hi Sarah thanks for your reply - I have hired the down jacket for the final ascent got lots of thermals though so will layer up, have ordered a jacket 1 size bigger!  I have been preparing a little for the climb so am not particularly worried about my fitness  although you cant prepare for walking at altitude.  I am  anxious about the holiday generally as I have never done anything like this before the fear of the unknown and all that! - I am actually more worried about my journey down from Yorkshire to Heathrow by train pathetic really!  Also have a few concerns about packing, making sure I have enough stuff but not over packing if youve any suggestions they would be greatly received. 


Not a great packer myself, always take too much! I'm sure you already have poles but just in case you don't we find them invaluable. We didn't take any on our first Exodus trip [Mont Blanc circuit] and ended up buying them halfway through. We are also planning on taking several packs of dextrose sweets for energy bursts. We're travelling down from Yorkshire the day before the flight, Rupert's parents live near Heathrow. What part of the county are you from? I work in Skipton and live in Steeton.


Hi Sarah - I live in Harrogate - Thanks for the info will definitely get some poles have been thinking about it anyway and some energy snacks.  Looking forward to the trip now only 5 days away!  See you both soon.

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